Entitled Organization Continues to be Entitled

Furthering to justify Jason Heyward’s sound decision to sign with the young Cubs for slightly less money, Mike Matheny opened his mouth to demonstrate what an entitled organization the St. Louis Cardinals are. Deadspin has the full story here.

Get over it, Cardinals. He’s just not that into you.

25 thoughts on “Entitled Organization Continues to be Entitled

  1. That’s just silly.

    If you read the quote, Matheny didn’t really say anything controversial. He just stuck up for his players.

    Deadspin trolls Cardinal fans all the time because they rise to the bait (it apparently started as a for fun exercise trolling Deadspin founder and Cardinal fan Will Leitch.

    If Matheny was smart (he’s not), he would have said something like, “I’m not sure why Heyward would be concerned about players on a team more than 3 years from now. He made a point of signing a 3 year contract with two player options, one after the 3rd year and 1 after the 4th year. The Cardinals he named are more likely to still be on our team than he is to still be a Cub.”

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    1. Gotta agree, and against Indy. The proof of trolling is right here:

      the Cardinals themselves expressed a rather paternal disappointment that Heyward wouldn’t take their overpay to ball next to some injury prone old guys.

      Reality is Lynn, Martinez, Gonzales, Piscotty, Wong, Grichuk etc. are all plenty of young guys.

      Beyond the trolling of this piece, and what Paper notes about Heyward’s opt-out, is why Heyward said such a clearly refutable thing as he originally did in the first place.

      Get over it, Jason. And, sorry, Lefty. I still say he’s got some sort of mental block or something about playing center every day, his post-free agency newfound enthusiasm after 6 years of MLB play aside.

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    2. Also in proof of what you said is that, linked at the bottom of that story’s page, is this one titled: “Eat shit, Leitch.”

      This is Will Leitch, the founder of Deadspin and world’s most annoying Cardinals fan. We love Leitch, but we also like trolling him at every possible opportunity by telling him that he is human garbage and his favorite team is a band of wingnut Puritan shitbags who hack into laptops and pepper spray vagrants when no one is looking.

      http://deadspin.com/eat-shit-leitch-1736329729

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      1. I can confirm this, she predicted this response almost perfectly in a skype chat.

        I like the Cards. I think they have a good young core. But I’d take the Cubs core without even blinking at this point. Heck, I’d take the Cubs as a team over the Cards at this point.

        As for the opt out isn’t it obvious? Becoming a free agent in his 20’s gives him a ton of leverage, and a way out in case another good, young, exciting team is on the rise. I can’t see any reason a player does not try to get an opt out.

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      2. Well, it isn’t exactly fair to say, “Hey, I’m going to post something poorly thought out and stupid” and then “accurately” predict the response.

        I could post a lot of things and know exactly how most of you will respond (except for Gadfly, he’s a wingnut) to it.

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      3. Reflex, of course the opt out is obvious and was a great thing for him to get. The point is that Heyward commenting on what any time will look like in 3 years is silly, because he won’t be on that team in 3 years anyway. Essentially, everything he said could be summed up by “Man, Cubs fans will love it if I say this.”

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      4. ““I’m not sure why Heyward would be concerned about players on a team more than 3 years from now. He made a point of signing a 3 year contract with two player options, one after the 3rd year and 1 after the 4th year. The Cardinals he named are more likely to still be on our team than he is to still be a Cub.””

        This is what I was referring to. The answer to that is “because Heyward can gain leverage to make even more money from the Cubs, or failing that, someone else”. That is not any sort of a statement that he does not have absolute faith in the Cubs core of players. And the fact that the core Cards players may still be on the Cards past that point is not really a counter to anything, their core is aging and in that time frame are likely to be worse than the equivalent Cubs core.

        I do not see anything wrong with Heyward’s statement. It is reasonably factual with only a small amount of fan service (talking up the Cubs a bit). I do think that the Cards would have been wise to say nothing, they have had an atrocious offseason and all they are doing is highlighting that fact by being defensive.

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    3. “I’m not sure why Heyward would be concerned about players on a team more than 3 years from now. He made a point of signing a 3 year contract with two player options, one after the 3rd year and 1 after the 4th year. The Cardinals he named are more likely to still be on our team than he is to still be a Cub.”

      If I remember right, he mentioned Holliday, Molina, and Wainwright. I would very much doubt that all three of them are still on that roster in 3 years.
      Holliday will be a FA heading into 2018, assuming they pick up his $17M option in 2017. He’ll be 39 years old. Retirement is looking pretty damn likely.
      Molina will be a FA heading into 2019, assuming they pick up his $15M option in 2018. He’ll be 36 years old, which is like 80 in catcher-years. Again, retirement is looking pretty damn likely.
      Wainwright will be a FA heading into 2019, no options to consider with him. He’ll be 37 years old. Again again, retirement is looking pretty damn likely.

      As for Heyward, he could definitely opt out after 3 years and hit the FA market again, around the same time that those guys retire. Then again, considering how absolutely insane the 2018 FA market is projected to be, he could conclude that it’s safer for him re-up for that one-year “extension”, and see what the 2019 FA market will look like instead of getting lost in that particular hurricane of players. I don’t think the timing of those options/opt-outs was accidental.

      Point being…Heyward is still more likely to be a Cub after 3 more years than any/all of those guys he mentioned are likely to be a Cardinal.

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      1. And the core he mentioned may not even make it that far. Wainwright can’t stay healthy, Molina is a shadow of his former self (even on defense) and Holliday is almost checked out. And while I love the depth of the Cardinals system, it is all average to above average talent but not a superstar among them. They needed to sign an impact pitcher and impact bat this offseason, that did not happen and we are three years away from a loaded free agency class that could make that happen. Their best hope at this point is a trade.

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      2. True, but his mentions were selective, at a minimum. He ignored Martinez, Carpenter, Wong, Bourjos, Piscotty, Rosenthal and others. And, on the Cubs side, Lackey won’t be there in 3 years, Lester could well be injured, etc.

        It’s an after-the-fact justification by him, which is fine, as long as people will be honest about it being an after-the-fact justification.

        I’ll take Matheny at at least 50 percent of face value that, for whatever reason, he apparently, from the start, had no real interest in doing a new contract with St. Louis. That ultimately falls on Mo for not getting some more sense of that, if possible, pre-trade.

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  2. Doomed! The Cardinals are Doomed! I told you guys. But you wouldn’t listen. 🙂

    The Deadspin piece is about 95% troll. Everyone’s acting like the Cards didn’t win 100 games last year.

    But, truth to tell, I do like the Cubs’ chances going forward.

    And I saw nothing wrong with what Matheny said, particularly. But saying nothing might have been better.

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