Graham Womack, who used to send stuff to FKAHBT, has a poll open where you can vote on your 25 best players not in the Hall. Voting details are at that link.
Ignoring the issue of steroids, Simba, per the mug, comes to my mind.
And, while not quite as good as Simmons, Bill Madlock wasn’t bad.
And, with the match to gasoline of the Mad Hungarian, Al Hrabosky, that provides the excuse for this classic fight video:
Fan Interference 
Hr doesn’t necessarily belong, but dammit, Dale Murphy is life.
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I’ll take the time to do a full vote this evening, but that just came in my email, and it’s always good discussion provoker!
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As far as guys who ought to be in and aren’t, I’m sure everyone knows my choice. I’ve mentioned him a few times. Lol
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Who are your other 23?
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My (bracketing out alleged and likely steroiders) is:
Alan Trammell
Bobby Grich
Bret Saberhagen
Chet Lemon
Dave Parker
David Cone
Dick Allen
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff’
George Foster
Harold Baines
Jeff Bagwell
Jim Edmonds
Larry Walker
Lou Whitaker
Luis Gonzalez
Luis Tiant
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Reggie Smith
Rick Reuschel
Ron Guidry
Ron Cey
Tommy John
Tony Oliva
A couple of points to note.
Sadaharu Oh, as well as Pete Rose, as well as Shoeless Joe, aren’t currently eligible for the Hall, so I left them off. If we remove that technicality, I’d boot Foster, Baines, and Guidry.
To get in Bonds and Clemens, who I have bracketed out, Oliva and Cey would probably come off next.
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So….if I had to guess just from your list and nothing else, I would say you are between 53-55 yrs old. All hail the 70’s!
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Hey, hey … I have 12 months and change before I hit the bottom end of that scale.
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I was going to say 50-55…then thought 52-55 would be more impressive if I was right…and then went ahead and narrowed it to 53-55.
I was close.
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Having put next to no thought into it and possibly missing guys because of the length of the list:
Alan Trammell
Barry Bonds
Bobby Grich
Curt Schilling
Dwight Evans
Edgar Martinez
Jeff Bagwell
Jim Edmonds
Kenny Lofton
Kevin Brown
Lou Whitaker
Mark McGwire
Mike Mussina
Mike Piazza
Rafael Palmeiro
Roger Clemens
Sammy Sosa
Ted Simmons
Tim Raines
Willie Randolph
Dick Allen
Jeff Kent
Ken Griffey Jr.
Larry Walker
Pete Rose
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Paper, I might not agree with every name on that list, but you have at least earned my respect by not including Jack Morris on it.
/hat tip
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I just kinda went through real quick and pulled guys I though should be in the HOF, and then went back through and pulled guys I thought I had a good argument for being in, and then went back and pulled the remaining guys I thought might be among the best left until I hit 25.
I’m not saying that all of those guys should be in….just that they are among the best 25 not already in the HOF. Because I didn’t look at any numbers at all, I probably favored guys from my generation (80s to now) as opposed to guys from previous eras….and some positions, like catchers or relievers are just tough to place without doing some actual work….I think, in general, catchers are probably really under rated considering the beating they take and value their defense provides.
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I like the way you fearlessly include slimeballs on your list. (And no, I’m not necessarily referring to PED’s)
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Being a piece of shit and being a HOFer are not mutually exclusive.
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Well, it just said “best players”….so I ignored everything else….lots of jackwagons are really good at basing balls.
If it was “who should be in the HOF that isn’t?” the list would have been shorter and had Buck O’Neil on it.
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After looking up Buck, ignore all of what used to be posted here. I was mixing up Buck with someone else in my brain. Now I need to figure out who I was actually thinking of…
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I used the link to the list of 200.
I passed over Oh because I really have no idea how to compare him to MLB players of his era.
It was also appears to have been restricted to HOF eligible players…so nobody retired < 5 yrs ago or active.
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I saw “Jr” on there, but assuming he’s in like Flynn, left him off.
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Oh…I get ya….I just kind of skimmed through the list…there were names I didn’t recognize that may have been negro leaguers….but I admit, I don’t know enough about any of them to have a strong opinion.
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True dat; as noted on my list, if we’re talking 25 best, whether eligible for the HOF or not, Sadaharu Oh goes on the list. Shoeless Joe does, too. Pete Rose? Yes, I guess so.
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Okay, Paper. I made my wise ass comment. Having said that, a superficial look suggests that it is a very good list. Some of my favorite also-rans, too. And one thing that has to be fixed: I’m a big fan of Craig Biggio, but no way he should have gone into the HOF before Bagwell.
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I wish I could remember off the top of my head the absolute jellyfish-brained moron who voted for Jack Morris and Jack Morris alone, leaving Maddux off of his ballot. That’s a person who can kindly impale himself on a jagged, rusty pipe. Hard.
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I want ONLY one change..( otherwise I agree with 24 of your picks ) can we substitute Fred Lynn for shilling? He was my favorite growing up and while shilling may have a better case, fuck shilling with a honey badger with rabies and diarrhea!
I know I didn’t capitalize shilling, but fuck shilling with the aforementioned mammal!
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No, but maybe Fred Lynn can replace Jim Rice?
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No! I’m not going to start pulling people out of the HOF to change how I feel today, that would be ruling by fiat. What I’m suggesting is getting a person who has a borderline case and having people who are smarter than I to debate for my pleasure in front of me so I can dismiss their own arguments out of hand all the while basking in adulation from getting them to do it!
Damn, you can be SO thick sometimes! 🏆
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…a honey badger with rabies and the squirts. Sir, I applaud you.
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Professor- I think that your mind is the sexiest part you, you are SO much better than what you look like in the mirror, you are beautiful for the choices that you make and by that which reject! You are also a VERY GOOD writer
I’m willing to bet I’m not alone in this case, once you posted against people who didn’t understand that “girls…ooh cooties” could not only post informed opinions on what WAS a predominantly male circle jerk, but be right, well you and Historio, Inda put the nail in the coffin of standard bro shit.
For that reason alone I have all your backs.
Love all of you haughty bitches…kidding.haha
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Slappy, it’s an honor to know you, kind sir. 🙂
Attractiveness is enhanced by intelligence and a sense of humor, two things I actually /do/ have. And I have been told that I am at my most attractive when discussing pitching, so I’ve got that going for me, too. LOL
Also, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment re: Curt Schilling. I wouldn’t cross the street to spit on him if his ass were on fire.
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When I get home, and off mobile, I will post my list.
Just remember: Mooooooose. Moose. Mooooooose.
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He was on mine.
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OK here goes nothing
Alan Trammell
Barry Bonds
Bill Madlock ( the other maddog)
Buck O’Neill
Fred Lynn
Curt Flood
Dale Murphy
Joe Carter
Vida Blue
Tony Oliva
Ted Simmons
Roger Maris
Ron Guidry
Roger Clemons
Denny McLain
Don Baylor
Edgar Martinez
Fernando Valenzuela
Larry Walker
Orel Hershiser
Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Mike Mussina
Maury Wills
Cecil Cooper.
And people who should be in just because of their names.
Cupid Childs
Urban Shocker
Spottswood Poles
Indian Bob Johnson
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Don’t forget Al Clauss on “just for their names” this time of year.
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Bless you for adding Dale Murphy. I love love love Murph. I know that the tail end of his career really ruined everything for him as far as his HOF chances, but my god, the first five years of his career were some of the best baseball seasons a man could have. If Sandy Koufax can get in on a handful of seasons, why not Murph? (This is a rhetorical question, I know why. But still. MURPH. <3)
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Couldn’t leave him off. Even not being a Braves rooter, he was a fave.
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Aight. As usual, I’m going to preface this list by saying that it’s all my own personal opinion, that I am biased towards pitchers, I have a thing about old timey players, Junior Griffey is a shoo-in so I’m not adding him into the list, and I’m still putting in Roger Clemens even though I hate him more than I hate Satan himself. That being said, let’s do this thing.
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I forgot about Raines, and Smoky Joe Wood and Johnny Sain? Man, Paper is going to say you must be 65 or something 🙂
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haha, Historio once asked me if I was in my 80s because I mentioned my Victrola and glass records.
Smoky Joe Wood was great, I don’t care.
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