David Ortiz Expected To Retire After 2016 Season

Now, please note this is still pure speculation at this point by Ken Rosenthal, so who knows what will actually happen by the end of the year, but there’s been zero news in a while and I really need to get my post count up.  I’ve been slacking hard.  Anyways, back to the topic at hand, I suppose it’s getting to be about that time for the controversial 40 year old slugger.  (Okay, he’s not TECHNICALLY 40 until tomorrow, but we’ll just call it 40 alright?)

Ortiz will be an interesting case for the Hall of Fame.  First off, he’s a Designated Hitter, and they for whatever reason seem to have a hard enough time to get in.  There’s there’s that time he was named as a steroid user, but no further proof ever came of that.  He’s also been, well a very interesting character to say the least.

However, he is just the 27th member of the 500 home run club, and to date has a career line of .284/.378/.547/.925.  He has been in the top 5 MVP votes in 5 different seasons, been to 9 All-Star games and has won the Silver Slugger award 5 times.  He also has three World Series rings, including WS MVP in 2013.

While, I’m the first to say that I don’t particularly care for Ortiz as a person, I certainly see his value as a player and believe he’s deserving of a place in Cooperstown.

For now, let’s just hope there’s another good meltdown or two left in Big Papi.  If nothing else, he surly provides some quality entertainment.

18 thoughts on “David Ortiz Expected To Retire After 2016 Season

  1. First, on the “rumor” or whatever, Rosenthal’s not often wrong. I’ll wait for official confirmation, of course.

    On the numbers and the issue at hand? B-Ref currently gives him 50.4 WAR and 17.5 WAA. Fangraphs 46.1 WAR. Both are far below Edgar Martinez, to trot out an immediate “comp.”

    Not a HOFer in my book.

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  2. Ortiz isn’t even close to a HoFer. Certainly not on his regular season record. You can make a case for him as a postseason hero, and based on that you can have a case if you define a player by the ‘fame’ part of the title. But on the merits of his actual production there are dozens of better players who aren’t in. He’s in Jim Rice territory.

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  3. For purposes of discussion, let’s leave out the PED’s for the moment. Over the last three years of mortal combat at HBT, I seemed to glean two basic arguments for the Hall of Fame. One was a career WAR that was undeniable (usually figured to be in the range of 60-65, it would seem). The other was a period of dominance where the player’s performance clearly stood out above almost all of the others in the league.

    Ortiz fails the first test. At 50.4, he is no better than Lance Berkman territory. And in spite of my fondness for Lance, that is a marginal case at best..

    So how about test #2? I see two periods of clear elite play – 2003-2008 and 2011-2013. In those periods he makes a pretty damn good case. Certainly the All Star years and the MVP votes are there. And, of course, the gaudy statistic that really puts him in the conversation – his home runs. Now I lean heavily toward “yes.”

    But one more factor troubles me, and it comes from a comment that Calcaterra made about “being part of the narrative for your era.” Are not the home runs and the “narrative” – up to and including the MVP votes – due in some large part to playing in Boston? And this brings us to the elephant in the room – his comparison to Edgar Martinez. Is Big Papi in the discussion while Papi wasn’t because he plays in a hitter’s park in a major population center? Ortiz’s numbers were not quite even Hall of the Very Good in Minnesota. Is this a 28 year-old slugger maturing, or is Ortiz a creation of Fenway?

    And, BTW, how much of this lengthy essay is a reflection of the fact that I don’t like the narcissistic bastard?

    I will close with this thought. I think a DH can be eligible for the HOF. But by virtue of not being in the defensive discussion, the bar should be higher for hitting. Ortiz will almost undoubtedly make it. But he is not a slam dunk to me.

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    • Playing in Boston, and the final round of expansion in 1998. There’s been multiple sabermetric-based articles showing that expansions throughout baseball’s history have benefited batters, not pitchers, in general.

      On the degree of “handicap” for being a DH, B-Ref has “Runs from positional scarcity.” It’s a good starting point for such discussions, and Ortiz is massively in the negative.

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    • I’m sure that somebody’s going to bring out a spray chart of Ortiz’ majestic home runs, and sully his good name with a couple times he’s been less than THE ambassador of baseball and all that is fair, but the guy can hit them out in any park against any pitcher at any time!

      In Fenway it seemed he hit most of them in the bullpen at the right time and place! After the Marathon bombings he spoke for everyone in just the way that no matter what your tolerance of naughty words, just pumped you up! He then proceeded to carry the team on his back and help win a third world series for a team that only Cubs fans can relate to.

      The guy IS a HOF ! Whether he’s voted in five years after he retires, or some future veterans committee… the head of the FCC gave him a pass!

      As a person who loves to swear inappropriately, he is a HOF for that alone.

      Also..fuck,fucking kaka pee-pee shit!

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  4. I’m fine with putting Ortiz in as a very borderline case, but it should be noted that I do think the guy is a grade A asshole. I also don’t really care that much about the HoF at this point. It’s not the holy sanctuary were only the elite of the elite are allowed entrance anymore. There’s a TON of really good guys that don’t deserve to be in that are in and a TON of more that do that are not it. I’d rather we just burn it down and start from scratch honestly. I also think that a world where Ortiz is in and Edgar is not is a perfect example as to why the HoF is completely and utterly fucked at the moment.

    Honestly, I’m starting to lean toward the idea that no player should be in the HoF outright. Just have it as it was once designed to be. A Historical Museum of Baseball. Not a final reward for the best of the best. It should be a place where you go to learn about the game, the moments, the plays, and yes the players. Good and bad. Do we really need to maintain a list of the best players to ever play? That list is something that should be fluid, always changing, and should be compared to the players of their era. What we have now is a total cluster-fuck of I don’t really give a damn anymore.

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    • Good points all. The Museum of Baseball thing resonates with me. Build the thing by era’s – we all know what they are, including the steroid era. Embrace what it was in those times. And fill each era with representative baseball players.

      But it is only human to compare. I should know. I’m an old fart, and things just aren’t like they used to be. 🙂 Even in that case we will have “best of the era.” But that does make more sense than the present format.

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