For all those that hate the new HBT Design

Hello everyone.  After the debacle that has become the new NBC site redesign I have begun considering creating a place where we can all gather and continue the fun we have had commentating on all of the baseball news of the day.  Hopefully this won’t be necessary as I am optimistic that our cries will be heard loud and clear and they will fix all the numerous issues to the site redesign.  But if not, here is a temporary home I’ve created where all those interested can get more information on the new place for us all to gather.  If you have interest in joining us, please feel free to let me know by leaving a comment so I can help gauge how much interest will be in such a page.  Please keep in mind, I am a person of incredibly limited wealth and even more limited talent.  The page will be very basic (I’m thinking of a forum such as VBullitin or Simple Machines Forum.)  It would require all members to post interesting news and link to articles found on the web for us all to comment on and discuss.  I’m a working man, so I don’t have a ton of free time, but I will do my best.  The success of the site would rely solely on the people I’m putting all my faith into.  It’s members.  So if you are interested, please let me know.

Just for Old Gator, I have included a picture.

132 thoughts on “For all those that hate the new HBT Design

  1. Unfortunately, Craig made his contempt for commenters quite clear on Twitter. It’s like all of the cool-kid writers complain about the horrid comment sections so he does too, but he doesn’t have the cesspools that are Yahoo! or ESPN or any of the other major sites. He has a fairly well-maintained comment section, one that he and the rest of the staff deserve a lot of credit for helping to cultivate. It’s a shame that advertising dollars mean more to him now, but that’s what it is. Gotta pay that mortgage somehow.

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    1. I’ve been going to HBT for 5 years. Why he chose me to mock, I don’t know, but I think I have made my final post. “1,860 results ” returned when “hittfamily” is searched on his site. Fuck him.

      The thing is, his smug self thinks I only go there to read his articles. I go there to engage commenters. Now that his comment section sucks, I don’t need him.

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  2. I agree that we should give it a couple of days, but from the things CC is saying on his twitter feed, I am not encouraged. It’s clear to me that this redesign was not undertaken with the commenters in mind; in fact Craig points out that the vast majority of readers do not comment and he sees no harm to the site if the comments section was to disappear entirely. I doubt that any tweaks that are made will be focused on returning to us the experience we all came there for. I’m all in on a forum created by former HBT commenters for former HBT commenters.

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    1. Did he really write that? I’m afraid I either misjudged him from the start or he’s morphed into another corporate zombie like the anchors in Network. What a shame.

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      1. OG, he was openly mocking posts. Then he backtracked, saying that he wants to know about constructive criticism. However, it’s obvious that he doesn’t care about constructive criticism – if so, he would have addressed them already.

        It’s very funny that Bill and Gleeman haven’t been nearly as hostile to people as Craig has been.

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      2. The power of corporations is insane. Craig’s bald and a Rush fan so cut the guy a little slack! Sarcasm absolutely intended: won’t be clicking on his blogs if he condemns us for our almost unanimous opinion. How come Pro Football Talk is in the old format, at least the blogs? Is it because football fans are too dense to even think about change or does Mike Florio have power that our baseball, football, and hockey blog writers don’t?

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      3. Jimee – from what I’ve gathered, PFT was started by Florio and he still owns the rights? So he can literally take his ball and go home, in a manner of speaking. We kid the folks over at PFT, but they are the cash cow of the NBC Sports world. I can’t even begin to imagine how much coin they make from that site.

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      4. Hittfamily – he didn’t mock me, but then again I usually don’t say anything because by the time I see a comment, most everyone’s gone to bed. LOL But you are a valued member of our community, and for him to single you out is, frankly, gross.

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  3. Kinda sad Craig thinks that we are such a nuisance. A lot of the commenters are why he’s now at NBC. If he still had shysterball and his one hundred supporters…well he’d still have shysterball and maybe two hundred supporters.

    Whatever, too many assholes that never seem to get banned unless they crush the invisible barrier. He kept them on for the only reason of driving up replies for this very purpose. Money talk, comments walk. I’m in for whatever is a good place to hang with my friends.Cheers

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    1. I’m here … per what Gator said, if anybody wants to read at least my baseball stuff, I’m at http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com.

      That said, I use B-Ref rather than Fangraphs for player links on baseball posts in part because B-Ref posts blogs of users that link to its players. So, if you look for a particular player on B-Ref, you might find a recent baseball blog post of mine there.

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  4. I’m in, scout. How’d you like a regular feature of baseball literature commentary – starting with, oh, Giamatti’s Take Time for Paradise? I figger I could produce at least two a month, along with the rest of my blather.

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    1. Any recipes for HBT stew? Craig has a carcass, and a lot of rotten tomatoes. Could he just add some garlic to hide the taste of disgust?

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  5. Hey, Scout. I know I don’t comment very often over at HBT anymore, but I still read the comment board religiously. That’s why I went there. Sadly, the comment board now is nothing but hot garbage. I don’t know what their demographic is, but I don’t think they are looking for thirty-something females with disposable income, because that’s me and I’m leaving.

    I’m glad you’ve taken the initiative to set up a place for us to actually continue to put the talk in hardball talk, as it were. I’ve always enjoyed your take on things on the boards, and if Gator is going to be hanging around here, too, well….

    This is nice. It’s easy to read, and easy to follow.

    Thanks, Scout.

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  6. Also, I’m in with OG’s baseball literary section – I’ve been wanting to discuss “Living On The Black” with someone other than my best friend for years now. 😛

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    1. @professormaddog: hell, if you have things to say about Living on the Black, let’s hear it. I didn’t by any means intend to imply I wanted to circumscribe baseball book criticism for myself.

      But scouts, I do think it would be a good idea to adopt the “boxed” initial, titled blog and append discussion of whatever was its subject to that particular blog post, a la the original CTB/HBT rather than a free-for-all. I think it will make it much easier to return to, and keep coherent, the particular discussions themselves.

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      1. So you are saying you don’t like the theme? I’m not a huge fan either. I’ll play around with it some more later, but again, temporary home, so don’t want to kill my entire vacation on it. Also, open to suggestions if anyone knows of a specific theme that sort of matches what we once had.

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      2. OG – I didn’t think you would corner the market on being our resident book critic. I’m really excited about the possibility of talking about baseball books with other intelligent people! You in particular; your viewpoints are always fascinating to navigate and I enjoy seeing things from your perspective, even when I don’t agree.

        I wonder if we could have a film correspondent as well? I would offer my services, but I have a love/hate relationship with baseball movies. I guarantee you my first discussion would be about the Harold Lloyd movie “Speedy”, which featured a cameo by a little known ballplayer named Babe Ruth.

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  7. Scouts, I’m all in on this one. As the professor said, this will keep the talk in HBT. As, I think it was Paper Lions, said back over there, you can’t make somebody give a sh!t, if they don’t give a sh!t, and obviously, Craig doesn’t give a sh!t. So, Slappy and I will continue to contribute our own brands of insanity to your erstwhile endeavor, because every court needs jesters.

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      1. Yeah, we should discuss whether or not a hotdog (on a bun, of course) is a sandwich. The discussion won’t change anyone’s mind, but at least it will identify who understands how properties make something a member of a category and who does not.

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  8. Someone want to help this magnificent anachronism learn how to upload photos and other graphics from (1) existing online sources and (2) from my own files, to make these posts visually interesting?

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    1. WordPress is pretty easy with pics and graphics. You pretty much just have to paste a link to a thing and it will automatically make it look how you (probably) want it to look.

      So, for example, if you wanted to relive Kerry Wood’s glory days, you’d just go find the game on youtube, copy the link, and post it here…

      ….and waa-laa.

      Fun Fact – Current Cubs TV broadcaster Jim DeShaies was calling this game for the Astros.

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      1. I always want to relive Kerry Wood’s glory days. hahaha 😛

        The other day, some guy was selling something from the 2004 Cubs team on eBay, and I wanted to a) cry and b) jump off the roof. I can’t remember the last time a team did so little with so much. Maybe this year’s current Nats team perhaps.

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      2. If you want to upload video, seems like youtube would be the easiest way to do that.

        If you want to upload images, any old image hosting site should do the trick. I generally use postimage.org. Free and simple and no registration/account required.

        There might be a way to actually upload/host files here on wordpress, but I’ve never bothered to look.

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        1. I believe that uploading pictures is a feature of the paid, premium site, which we do not have here. When/if I launch a full site, uploading pictures will be easy. Also, and you can quote me on this, there will be an edit function.

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  9. Keep in mind that this blog is only a temporary site. I wanted a place where we could talk without fear of “moderation”. I’m in the process of reviewing software to determine what is best for the site. I’m probably going to go with a forum software as it is simply much easier to manage and admin, and is more conducive to conversations. Money is a factor, as web hosting and bandwith costs green and I’m unfortunately very tight on funds, but I think I can swing something at a reasonable price. Obviously I want to go with a zero ad site if at all possible. I think it can be done. I am very open to suggestions by the by.

    With all that said, Craig has stated that they are working on the site, so I’m going to give it until the end of the week to get better, if not, then we will be moving on. I already have a domain name picked out!

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    1. Scout – if you have Paypal, I would suggest posting a link to it with a small donate button or something? I would be happy to give you a little money to keep the place ad free and diplomatic. Please let me know how I can help. I like the idea of making a place for us, by us.

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    2. I’ll avoid Paypal for a litany of reasons. But the idea for crowdfunding is a good one. I’ll probably try to get up and running out of my own pocket and then if costs get out of control, I’ll look to crowdfunding. I hate asking people for money, and I hate pushing advertisements. As long as the site does not grow too large, I should be able to swing it, and if it does, I’ll have a valid call for help.

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  10. You win, HBT loses.

    I’m pissed about the changes at HBT but not really angry with Craig. Everything changes but clearly not everything changes for the better. HBT seems to be a victim of it’s own success. Craig and his superiors at NBC assumed that they could change things to a more corporate site and capitalize on their product and the audience would just go with the flow. Clearly they are wrong. Without exactly knowing the arrangement between Craig and NBC it would still be safe to say essentially he works for NBC. And, everybody answers to somebody.

    So for better or worse, .. I’ll be around here. HBT, .. not so much.

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    1. I’d be interested in how many readers that don’t comment actually come to the site and return over and over to follow conversations.

      Without the discussion, the site is really pretty boring.

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  11. So what does everyone think of Craig’s half-assed attempt at an explanation and a mea culpa? It’s a damn site better than his “my commenters are a bunch of drooling idiots” tone on Twitter yesterday, but hardly an admission that the new site was a mistake.

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    1. Luke – I think he fails to realize that there are many, many readers (such as myself) who are unable to comment for one reason or another, but are there for the comment board, not necessarily the actual blog posts.

      I comment at HBT when I can. Generally it’s when I’m off work, which is never these days.

      As I mentioned in my comment on the first “HEY GUYS WE REDESIGNED THIS PLACE INTO A FLAMING DUMPSTER FIRE!” post, the new redesign reminds me a lot of the way ESPN redid their page, which I used to visit at least five or six times a day, every day. And since April 1st, when their new layout went live, I have visited exactly three times (twice to read one article about Bart Starr. Seriously).

      I’m not saying anything that OG, Scout, and the other folks here haven’t already said – what made HBT unique and a destination website was the interplay between commenters. Even when there were people who hated each other, the majority of us treated each other with respect. After all, we’re there for one purpose – we love baseball and we love to talk about baseball. I try to follow a lot of teams because I appreciate good baseball, but I’m fairly myopic – I am a Braves fan, I am a Cubs fan, and I follow the Brewers because they are the local team. I enjoy reading OG’s posts about the Marlins because he knows his stuff. I like seeing Scout talk about the O’s because that’s his team.

      The community is what made HBT special to me, and without it, it’s nothing more than a bunch of articles. If I wanted articles, I’d get my news from the Journal-Constitution.

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      1. I’m optimistic about the HBT fix as I am about the upcoming pitching situation for the Braves. Which is…. not at all. 😦

        re: Gator – I think he was trying to make a joke and it fell pretty flat.

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  12. Hey Scout, I’m in as well, at least until someone at NBC gets their head out of their ass regarding the hot mess that used to be HBT. I only hope PC or Cur or Paint or Shayna make the jump, so the Jays have some good representation. It’s nice to see you do something like this, to give us HBT refugees a home, even if it is temporary. Also great to see Gator and a good portion of the gang making the jump as well.

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    1. You know it’s funny, now that I’ve been playing around with the WordPress Admin panel (Which is what is runnig HBT) I see just how easy it is to change some of these settings and turn things on/off. Which gives me a greater appreciation for how embarrassing the changes at HBT have been. Most of these changes we have been clamoring for are built right into the system and take at most 30 seconds to change. Everything else is a collection of styles and themes. The fact that this took over a year for these “professionals” to design, then rolled out such a broken piece of junk is rather pathetic. I have exactly 24 hours experience with this blog and I’ve already made better improvements than they did over the past year.

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  13. hydrophobichound: yeah, I didn’t take Craig’s little prod personally. I definitely never said I’d bail after the 2010 revision, but I was pretty upfront about my opposition to sacrificing CTB for the insensate HBT. You’ve prolly noticed that I often refer to it as CTB to this day, although from now on I’m liable to refer to it as CPT (cryogenic preservation tube), because that’s what it feels like.

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  14. So I think I’ve made my disdain for Yankee Stadium as a baseball venue fairly well-known, but when a friend comes up with a free ticket on a night you’re not busy, it’s still hard to say no. So tomorrow I’ll be trekking up to the Bronx for a baseball game for the first time since ’09. Ironically, the last time I saw the Yanks play in person was also against the O’s, although that one was down in Baltimore (coincidentally enough, my favorite stadium in my brief Stadium Wars experience). Also seeing Tanaka live for the first time, should be a bunch of fun.

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    1. I’ve never been to either Yankee Stadiums, although I’m certainly not in a hurry to see the new one. I haven’t heard many good things about it. I agree that Baltimore’s is the best, but I am biased and have somewhat limited experience. I really loved Wrigley, although it was really weird they way they have the bleachers separated from the rest of the stadium. Like you need two tickets to see the entire place. Really odd. Pittsburgh was beautiful, but felt really small. I guess that’s it’s charm. Big league park with a minor league feel. You never feel too far from the action and you can see the action from pretty much anywhere in the stadium. You get to see Gausman pitch tomorrow, so you have a better than not chance of seeing something special. He’s still working things out, but when he’s on, he’s a lot of fun to watch.

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      1. I enjoyed the old place quite a bit. The new joint is a sterile, soulless monument to corporate sponsorship (kind of like the new HBT. Hey-o!). If you ever were to make your way up to New York to catch a baseball game, I’d highly recommend Citi Field instead. Building their stadiums at the same time, on the same budget, the Mets ran rings around the Yankees in creating an awesome fan experience.

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      2. Can I put in a word on behalf of Macondo Banana Massacre Field, a structure so alien to its environment that it has yet to impact the community either positively or negatively. There’s not much negative impact because the Feesh don’t generate enough fan traffic to clog the streets. There’s not much positive impact because the Feesh don’t generate enough fan traffic to make it worthwhile for entrepreneurs to lease the empty storefronts built into the stadium along 11th Street. Blue collar Little Havana chugs along obliviously around the stadium.

        And inside? Just as lovely! Two shelves where none are needed; close the door and the light stays on!

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      3. Sorry for jumping in, but this is an interesting convo. 😛

        Gausman’s one of the few AL guys that I have any knowledge about, and yeah, he’s a lot of fun to watch. I like his delivery. When he’s on, he’s a good show!

        Wrigley was great, except I had a beam in my field of vision, thus blocking a good portion of the pitcher’s mound. Since I am a dork about pitching, you can bet I was fairly steamed. But, hey, it was a free ticket (my friend treated me), so whatever. But it was upsetting to go to Wrigley on a day that Bronson Arroyo was pitching for the Reds and not be able to see that Rockettes high kick in full effect.

        I have the most experience with Miller Park because it’s the closest stadium near my home. I enjoy watching the games there – never had a bad seat ever – and the food is decent enough.

        I liked the Ted the most, but that’s because I rather enjoyed sitting with several thousand Braves fans all around me, and I miss hot, humid, Southern weather. I’ve lived in Cheeselandia for way too f’n long, lemme tell ya.

        Target Field is a nice park, but the bullpen situation is weird. I don’t know.

        I’m hoping to hit up Cominsky…er…. US Cellular Field within the next year so I can get another place off the list.

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      4. Don’t be sorry for jumping in. That’s what we are here for.

        Confession time. I’ve been spending most of the evening on my laptop, and I keep hovering my curser over the HBT bookmark out of habit, only then remembering in crushing fashion how it’s not what it used to be. I’m a habitual website browser, bouncing from site to site and back again between my 10 or 20 most regularly visited sites. Taking one out of the rotation has been quite jarring.

        Anyways, back to the ballpark discussion. I’ve twice foolishly passed on opportunities to visit Fenway. I keep telling myself I have to get up there before they tear it down. I have a dream of hitting it rich and over the course of two or three years visiting every ballpark, and writing a book on all of them. Lots of pictures, discussion on food, beer, special quirks, etc. Kind of a traveling visitors guide of sorts, but with all the sorts of topics that usually get bypassed or rarely discussed all in one place. I can’t really write for shit, and I’m sure it would never get published, but it sure would be fun to “research”. On my before I die list: Fenway, San Francisco, Cleveland (Went when it opened, but I was a kid, would like to visit as an adult), Houston, Target, Miller. I need to get my lazy ass out to Nationals park, I mean it’s only like 20 min away, but the parking situation has me not in a big hurry. I did get to watch them build it as my company had a jobsite literally across the street, so that was a real treat.

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      5. re: HBT – same, man. I had to work this evening (second jobs suck), but I was thinking about the changes all night. I went back to see if anyone had responded to my comment on the lack of functionality and it just makes me sad. Honestly, it feels like going to a mom and pop Tastee Freeze for years and years, then they tear it down and build a McDonald’s in its place or something. It’s just wrong. Everything that made it cool is gone and what’s left is all this corporate nonsense.

        Dude. An all-inclusive book as to what makes each ballpark unique? That would be awesome! Allow me to go with you on your research. I can be your co-author as I actually can write. I can very easily go back on my wasted college journalism experience if needed! 🙂

        Seriously, though, Scout, if you ever make it to Milwaukee, let me know. I would be honored to be your guide, or at least buy you a cone of these sugared cashews they sell at the Heavenly nut roasting stand (honestly the best thing at Miller Park). The thing about Brewers fans is that they are pretty cool with out of town fans. Unless you are a Cubs fan, of course, then there’s good-natured ribbing to be had. Seeing as how when I go to Milwaukee I’m generally rooting for the away team, I have lots of experience in this. (Braves games, Cubs games, once I went to a Rangers game and wore my Oswalt shirt – the looks I got were hilarious.)

        That goes for everyone else, too, btw. The ballpark is my favorite place to be in the world and I love sharing it with people who love it, too. It’s just more fun that way.

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      6. I need to get back to Fenway. Went there once as a kid (before Henry and Co. started cleaning the place up) and it was a steaming dump. It’s also the only place on my stadium list I don’t have a local hat from, so there’s that.

        Spent a lot of time at Wrigley while I was at school because my uncle could always get his hands on the Northwestern athletic department’s seats. A friend of ours was from Guam, so we took him down for his first game. Sitting about seven rows back of the first-base dugout, two of the first three pitches were screaming liners right over our heads. I don’t think he got how baseball was supposed to be fun after that.

        A bunch of us went up to Milwaukee one time, confusing the locals because we were all in Yankees gear starting “Let’s go Yankees!” chants when they were playing the Pirates (yeah,, we were those guys), but it was otherwise a pleasant experience. It was a shame they had the roof closed, made it feel a little cozier than I’m used to for a baseball game.

        I’ve probably been to the Ted more than any other stadium in recent years, visiting my girlfriend down in Atlanta. In many ways it can be generic, but generic doesn’t necessarily mean bad, and I really liked the little Braves museum they have out there. It’s a shame they’re going to tear it down and move into that giant clusterfuck of a stadium at White Flight ballpark in two years. You think rush hour in Atlanta is bad now? Try adding 30,000 headed towards I-75 and I-285 at 7:00 on a weekday. Blegh.

        Kevin S.’ Official Stadium Rankings(TM):
        1. Oriole Park at Camden Yards
        2. Citi Field
        3. Citizen’s Bank Ballpark
        4. Yankee Stadium II
        5. Nationals Park
        6. Wrigley Field
        7. Turner Field
        8. Miller Park
        9. Fenway Park (provisionally)
        10. US Cellular Field

        11. Yankee Stadium III

        Shea Stadium

        I keep telling myself I’m going to take a week one year and road trip the Rust Belt stadiums. I had a chance at Detroit once, but we were there for a friend’s birthday and he wasn’t particularly interested. Need to rectify that.

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      7. That’s weird, I hadn’t left a line break between the Cell and YS III, and there were supposed to be some dashes above Shea and a 378 in front of it.

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    2. Never been to either Yankee Stadium but would like to someday. My dad still talks about going to YS in 1961 when Mantle and Maris were raking. Unfortunately, being in Canada and having spent a lot of time overseas with the military, my list of visited stadiums is woefully short:

      Skydome/Rogers Centre – a bunch of times
      Olympic Stadium *Expos) – a bunch of times
      Fenway Park – once
      Safeco Field – once

      My goal is to make an east coast road trip or two in the next few years, trying to hit both NY stadiums, Baltimore, Washington, Philly and maybe Fenway again.

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    3. ll ever get the chance, Coors field is a really nice place to watch a day game. Despite the fact that you’ll have to watch the Rockies. The sight-lines are pretty good from most everywhere, the view of the Rocky mountains is awesome, and there are a whole bunch of microbreweries within walking distance of the field.

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  15. Hey scout: Here’s Craig’s business plan:
    1) Read an article someone else wrote.
    2) Post the most interesting things in that article on his website.
    3) Put that quote in quotation marks, so it isn’t considered stealing, but rather commentary.
    4) Reap the rewards.

    I don’t see any reason you can’t do the same. Throw some ads up here (fewer than HBT), copy and past his text, add a “You’ll never believe what Craig Calcatarra wrote today” before your copy and paste, and, blammo, you’re a blogger!

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    1. That’s basically what I plan on doing, although I don’t have the time to search and link all the articles, so I’m gonnna make all the members do that for me! 🙂 Plus there will be no ads for as long as humanly possible. It looks like it’ll cost about $200 a year to get started so I’ll either fund it out of pocket or crowdfund it.

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  16. Some visual improvement to the HBT dead zone this morning but still a pig with lipstick. I tried a few posts but the juices just weren’t flowing – I managed a couple of wisecracks but, like yesterday, the flesh was willing but the spirit was flaccid when it came to uncorking one of my usual Feesh commentaries. Environment is so much.

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    1. Personally,friend,I don’t intend to ever go back there. I’ll probably miss some great convo’s, but my anger at CC’s attitude is more than I can overcome. Maybe in a while I’ll change my mind, but now? Not gonna happen. the first day of their limp-out, i was semi-supportive of giving them a chance to fix things that were wrong (having been involved in more new system roll-outs than I care to recall), but after him showing how little regard he has for what made it a great place to hang out with smart (for the most part) people, I’ve decided that I’ll take my participation elsewhere.

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      1. He’s still insisting that he only mocked the “this sucks!” crowd, which is both untrue and irrelevant. I’m still fighting the good fight, because the place is worth saving, but he’s got to realize that not only was Sunday a tire fire, he was standing there pouring in gasoline before he finally called the fire department.

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      2. Do me a favor, Kevin, call his bald ass out on it. Use all CAPS, and lots of exclamation points.
        I would do it myself, but I’m currently in completely-outa-there-not-going-back mode.

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      3. Kevin & badhair – CC has been trolling so long, I don’t think he realizes he does it anymore.

        Not that it’s an excuse, but I swear he has no clue sometimes.

        Like I’m not sure that he even considered his mocking of people on Twitter a serious offense?

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      4. Maddog, he is a lawyer by vocation, after all. They generally aren’t aware of how condescending/obnoxious they often are to non-lawyerly people. That’s why they need to be severely chastised for the attitude. I truly am exceedingly offended by condescension and tend to react poorly to it.

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    2. I attempted to read HBT on my phone today and I keep getting site errors. I had four crashes plus one bizarre redirection – apparently that website labors under the impression that I care about the Mets (spoiler alert: I don’t).

      It’s all so frustrating. And it shouldn’t be. This is supposed to be fun.

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    1. 5 hours ahead of EDT would put it at BST (British Standard Time) right now, so it could be Beer O’Clock…. or better yet, Single Malt O’Clock if you head north.

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      1. Although looking at my post time and my local time of ADT, I’m only seeing a 3-hour difference, so it looks as if this blog is logging in Zulu Time (GMT).

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      2. I swear, nb, I saw 5 and read it as 4. I think today I have to say I have the dumbs. But oh hell yes to Single Malt O’clock. My only ever trip to Europe was a week in The Old Homeland, where I sampled many,many,many different malt beverages.

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  17. Okay, but where in spacetime is it? Do these posts ruck the grid by themselves or just roll down the grooves following heavier conversations?

    Ask not when. Ask wherewhen.

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  18. I am in.

    And oddly….we all are well behaved here. It took Craig f’ing up to make us all get along……Kumbaya my lord, Kumbaya…..

    All kidding aside, I never took anything said in HBT comments personally, and scanning the people on this list, I know none of you ever did either. This has potential to be a great spot

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  19. Gee whiz, lookit dat anorexic right fielder in the Brooze uniform wearing a latex Ryan Braun face mask. Funny thing about that. It’s a treat to watch that guy, whoever he is, crushing ground ball singles through the infield.

    You will hear a lot about the two home runs J T Realmuto hit last night, especially the inside-the-parker he got courtesy of Brooze centerfielder Domingo Santana’s cluelessness about how to play a falling line drive orf a curved surface. Well, I wouldn’t be too upset with myself if I were Santana. I know physicists who haven’t figured out how a particle in spacetime bounces orf a curve, either – and those guys have degrees in place of guaranteed contracts. But on a more interessin’ note, the Feesh announcers played a split-screen recap of Realmuto’s dash around the bases and Dee Gordon’s I-T-P’er from a few weeks back to show how fast the Feesh rookie catcher ackcherley is. He made it around the horn barely a split second behind Gordon. Now, of course, the question is: knowing that there are lots of toad-shaped catcher wannabes out there, how many years do you want this kid squatting in the woods before you decide to save a pair of legs like that for run-scoring services? With Justin Bour (two more ribbies last night) emerging at first base as the guy the Feesh could have brought up from day one instead of wasting a third of a season on Mike Morse, where would you put a reconstituted Realmuto? (And don’t let the name fool you – he can speak, and he’s not a complete genetic accident.) Answer: try him out in the outfield, of course. The Feesh will prolly try to move Scott Boras this orfseason (on the assumption that he’ll take Marcell Ozuna with him), so there’s be an opening out there.

    Well, one can dream.

    Stupid Manager Tricks: while everyone is busy bashing Matt Williams (he’s so bashable, though) for having Anthony Rendon bunting in the bottom of the ninth, the Meerkat did pretty much the same thing. With one out and Donovan Solano at second, our tactically challenged General/Manager had Cole (.295) Gillespie try to bunt him over, giving up an out in the faint hope that Dee Gordon would drive him in, but Gordon was out of goopher dust and grounded out to short. Granted the stakes weren’t very high in this game, but a dumb move is a dumb move, no?

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    1. THIS NEEDS TO BE A NEW POST!!!

      Get on it Scout!

      Copy, paste, “You won’t believe what OG wrote”, and pow, you’re a blogger, just like Calcaterrible!

      For real, please, make this entry #4.

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      1. HFam (do you mind if I call you this?) – I attempted to read HBT today. My phone crashed several times, so I fled, but not before I saw your post.

        Ultimately the failure of this new rollout is not the site redesign, but the aftermath. I think if Craig would have been understanding from the get go, we would have taken it better. But instead he made it a snarkfest towards his own readership.

        You’re never going to get an apology from CC. Which is sad, because he should. At the very least, I wonder why he chose your comment to mock.

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      2. Hfam is fine. I’ve wanted to change it for a while. Hittfamily.wordpress was literally set up about 7-8 years ago, for x-mas lists to be exchanged with the extended family. It never caught on. About 5 years ago, I decided I had to post on Craigs site, but I needed a wordpress account “Wait a minute, I have a word press account”. “Hittfamily”, the asshole commenter on HBT, has been around ever since.

        I agree with you. I’m not calling him a butthole if his bosses simply redesigned his site. I think he’s a butthole because he is choosing to be so cavalier in antagonizing his commenters. Really, I don’t even care about the twitter thing. I was pissed long before that, when I read that he was going after people who told him his site sucked. Then I found this site, and read exactly what was being said. Only then, did I find out , I WAS ONE OF THOSE BEING MOCKED. Yeah….I was steamed!

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      3. By the way… yeah, it’s a hell of a surprise to read “Craig’s mocking people, click this link”, and then see your name there.

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    2. Everybody wants to be Ned Yost these days.

      Seeing what the Brew Crew trot out to fill in open spots is awful. You can say many things about the departed Carlos Gomez – and if you’re Brian McCann, you’ve said several – but that dude can play stellar defense. It’s a shame that the Brewers don’t have anyone ready to lock and load in his spot, but this season is trash anyway.

      BTW … Yay OG – this totally made my morning.

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    3. Professor,
      This is me being straight: I click Craig’s posts, hoping OG has written something. I skim through the post, like poorly written Craigs notes (well that;s ironic), and go striaght to the comments section. If OG has written something…makes my day.

      Glad to have you aboard Old Gator!

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  20. FYI I got a long, and I think really heartfelt, email from Craig tonight. I’m not exactly sworn to secrecy about it but suffice it to say that he got this redesign sprung on him just like we did – they never even consulted him about it until just hours before it went up, and it was not even the product of the division of NBC that Craig works for. It was a pure revenue driven project from that parallel universe where barely carbon based units think in megadollars instead of pixels. Craig feels awful about the whole thing and he is fighting to restore as much of the sensibility of the old site as he can, and he says that the suits were taken aback by the vehemence of everyone’s rejection of the redesign. So, there’s some hope, but if you understand the Peter Principle, you also realize – I hope – that now there are going to be important feathers to ruffle upstairs where this vomit of tastelessness originated in the first place, so it’s liable to take Craig some time to make things workable again.

    So, he asks me for slack, and for the sake of the seven years or so that I’ve been commenting on CTB-HBT and for the lunch he once bought me in Little Havana (with an NBC credit card, I might add), I shall bestow it upon him.

    However, I think that we should continue to construct an alternative venue for ourselves because, frankly, after watching how NBC butchered the Weather Channel and dumped some of its best on-camera meteorologists in favor of “the revenue stream” (ie, mindless, endlessly repeated reality show excrement), I wouldn’t bet that they consider Craig indispensable either.

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    1. Wow, this is quite interesting. Thank you very much for sharing. It shines a completely new light on the situation. I in no way want to hurt Craig or take anything away from him. I do think he acted like a dick, but as someone said, Craig’s been trolling so long he probably doesn’t even know he’s doing it. His attitude did see a marked change over the past two days. I am a big fan of forgiveness and it dose seem that he is asking for it now. I have stayed away the past few days, but that’s mostly because I’ve been busy here.

      I don’t plan to completely abandon the place, but if a lot of people enjoy it here, I’d be open to keeping both places going and probably spend most of my time here, only checking in there from time to time. If this place falls apart, then that’s cool too. It doesn’t hurt to have options and at the very least a place to hang when we want to get away from all the NBC bullshit. It is impressive to hear that the outcry has reached so high up, and so fast and that they are at least taking it seriously. I am with you that Craig does deserve some slack. We’ve made our voice heard, and they are listening. It’s a big thing we did, and if nothing else, we spawned a new place to call home.

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    2. I have 2 reactions to this:

      1) None of that excuses the way Craig handled the complaints he got. Mocking your customers is an obvious business fail — and especially those who have been readers for years and who have legitimate complaints. Craig acts like the IT department’s work deserves more consideration than our frustrations — but again, we are the customers (and the bait they offer to advertisers). On top of that, we have cared about the doings in his life and supported him, so no one really deserved that. And, I’m not even going to go into the more complicated issues about productive-consumption and making things “personal” and all that very real stuff that people like to discount in business. I don’t think Craig’s response was respectful and fair — and that’s aside from the choices the suits made.

      2) Really, this is about more than just Craig for me though. The bigger part is the corporate move. Yes, NBC is a business and they can run their site as they wish, but that does not mean I have to be their consumer. It really isn’t HBT anymore. It’s NBC Sports — and I don’t care to be a part of that generic corporate media thing. It’s the same thing you can get from Fox Sports or CBS or ESPN. Seriously, why should we choose NBC Sports? Is it because the presentation is particularly welcoming or offers some artistic or overall intellectual value? It does not. Is it better than the others in usability or information? Not really. The big sell for HBT for me was the community. I took breaks from the blog at times, but the people there brought me back. I am not interested in hanging out in a corporate space. It’s all over the place in the US and the internet. I don’t need more of that, and the previous version of HBT was less palpably corporate (even if it really was a corporate offering). So, if NBC is no longer interested in hosting our little community — which is entirely their right — then I’m interested in finding another space to have that community. If NBC wants to have us and make a successful site, I believe they can come up with a better aesthetic, a less offensive way to market ads and content to us (c’mon, be a little sophisticated; we are), and a more effective and useful functioning. Otherwise, they really deserve the grunts they are chasing.

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      1. More to your point, at least to me: If I am fine with just hanging out in a corporate controlled space, why would I go to NBC in the first place when MLB.com offers the same thing but directly from the source? And with a much better site design to boot. If I am choosing to go corporate, I’ll just cut out the middleman and the minimal value they may add or detract.

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      2. Wel-l-l, Craig and some of the other guys were more than just middlemen. They added their own often quirky selectivity about what stories they chose to emphasize, infused their personal spin and poked us in the bile ducts while they were at it. Within the context of the NBC empire, at the moment, HBT is beginning to look a bit like Tito’s Yugoslavia.

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    3. Having worked myself for corporations that didn’t care for the feelings of their employees, I can definitely empathize with Craig’s quandary. What I took issue with was his dismissive tone on Twitter toward our valid complaints about the redesign. It seems like the Snarker-in-Chief doesn’t know when to turn off the snark. We’re not just “commenters.” We’re actual people. I was willing to give Craig some slack but the way he treated us on Twitter made me feel like we weren’t valued or wanted on the site.

      That said, i agree with scout that I am willing to forgive, and I’ll still visit HBT, but I like having this space. Besides, the powers that be may decide to kill HBT altogether. Who knows?

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  21. The weekend approacheth, and with the official end of summer passing uncommemorated what with my barbecue plans washed away in a spasm of subtropical monsoon season deluges (I use “monsoon” because we don’t have a Caribbean equivalent for the Indian Ocean term for circumscribed seasons of protracted rainfall), we’re going to try out the grilling recipes we didn’t get to try last week as the Gnats limp into town fresh from their debacle back home. I neglected to relate, caught up in horror and disappointment at how the eviscerated version of HBT greeted me on Sunday morning, how the pelting rain and the mess on my screen reminded me of the mudslides in Dominica and Washington state. Just a spontaneous thing – I free associate quite a bit.

    And you will know just how kaputnik they are by the end of the coming weekend. They come to town to play the Feesh, and if they can’t find a way to sweep this series you will know that it is well and truly all over. Of course, on Saturday El Keed will return to face the boys in red, so that game’s anybody’s. Tomorrow, Jared Cosart – fresh orf the compulsive barfing list with his inner ears presumably disinfected and his hammer, anvil and stapes realigned – will go out there to see how far he can capitalize on the Gnats’ current state of demoralization.

    Of course, an unstated theme of the upcoming contest will be the squaring orf of Matt Williams and the Meerkat. Consider that: a three day battle of wits between two of the dumbest managers in real baseball. Ahh, the last month of the season has its pleasures, and they’re not all connected with the foliage in the mountains. Halleleujah, sayeth the man whose foliage never changes. And that’s a shame. Wouldn’t it be nice if my palms and cycads could turn luminous colors in November and save the cost of electricity some of the local yuppies absorb splashing naff colored lights up their trunks?

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